408/416 Stroker builds!

This is from my post at Moparts! MOPARTS!
I know this has been done but it wasn't saved anywhere. If you small block stroker guys could post your combos I'll save it on my site if it's ok with Tom. I'm getting ready to build mine and still need to decide on pistons, cam, Rollmaster? and need tech stuff like windage tray modifications.
Come on guys, you have to be bored for the winter so humor me.
I'll start, right now I have:

72 360 standard bore block
cast 4" MP stroker crank
340 E heads, will be ported by Ryan
CAT H beams
ARP head bolts
SS CAT roller rockers
I'll be using my sixpack setup
Still undecided on pistons, cam, timing chain brand, bearings brand and I'll need a windage tray unless I pull the one out of my 340, but I didn't want to have to do that.
Any tips you've come across would be appreciated!
Thanks in advance folks!

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Final build!!

Desktop dyno claims 497hp through headers and full exhaust.
Here's the specs on the engine:

-360 block .030 or 4.030 bore X 4.00 stroke
-Protru -20cc dish pistons, 10.7 to 1
-.039 head gasket thickness,
-57cc head volume
-Sixpack dual plane manifold port matched with a total of 1350 cfm's through the carbs

-XE284H, Xtreme Energy, Hyd Flat Tappet, 284/296-240/246@50-.507/.510-110 centerline

-Edelbrock Flow #'s
.100"--79.4/58.7
.200"--151.8/118.7
.300"--212.2/168.4
.400"--254.6/200.8
.450"--269.1/212.1
.500"--276.0/219.8
.550"--280.1/221.8
.600"--281.6/225.6
.650"--282.9/225.6
.700"--284.7/225.6

2800-3200 stall speed convertor through a 727
3.91 suregrip
245/60/15 radials


Cruising! :-)



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John



Re: 408/416 Stroker builds, post em here!
I've been looking at these Wiseco Protru's, $517 and includes the pin and rings.

http://www.flatlanderracing.com/wisecoprotru_12.html

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Sublime_Challi

Built two strokers:

Stroker #1
1969 340 block magnufluxed, bored .030 / decked & indexed / torque plate honed, bores chamfered
Enlarged oil passages, oil galley bypass installed
MP 4" Forged crank magnufluxed, internally balanced
ATI Damper
Milodon Gear Drive / Oil Pump / Pickup / Pan / Waterpump
Eagle H-Beam Rods
JE Custom pistons 10.5:1 compression
JE Pins and Rings
Clevite 77 MS-1344V fully grooved main bearings
Clevite 77 CB-481H rod bearings
Clevite 77 SH-1112S cam bearings
Crane Retrofit Roller Cam 238/246 @.050 .548/.558 lift
Smith Pushrods
Indybrock Stage II Heads
Indy Rockers 1.5:1
Edelbrock RPM Air Gap intake
Currently BIGS modified Holley 750, will be EFI eventually
MSD Distributor / 6-AL ignition
ARP Head bolts, ARP Main studs, ARP Fasteners throughout
TTI Headers
520HP with Dyno operator's Holley Dominator

Stroker # 2
1971 340 block magnufluxed, bored .030 / decked & indexed / torque plate honed, Line bored mains, bores chamfered
Enlarged oil passages, oil galley bypass installed
MP 4" cast crank magnufluxed, internally balanced
BHJ Winston Cup damper
Milodon Gear Drive / Oil Pump / Pickup / Pan / Waterpump
Eagle H-Beam Rods
JE Custom pistons 10:1 compression
JE Pins and Rings
Clevite 77 MS-1344V fully grooved main bearings
Clevite 77 CB-481H rod bearings
Clevite 77 SH-1112S cam bearings
Comp Cams XE284 Cam 240/246 @.050 .507/.510 lift
Crane Pushrods
Edelbrock Heads touched up with good valve job
Crane gold Rockers 1.5:1
Edelbrock RPM Air Gap intake modified for EFI
F.A.S.T. EFI computer, 38 lb. injectors, Aeromotive fuel system
MSD Distributor / 6-AL ignition / Crank trigger
ARP Head bolts, ARP Main studs, ARP Fasteners throughout
TTI Headers
470HP

Stroker #1 is definitely the better motor, but both were built for the street and will be more than capable of laying the smack down. If I did it again I wouldn't of used the cast crank on stroker #2. Not that the cast crank wont live in this application, it just limits the bottom end for future upgrades / NOS. The retrofit roller cam would produce 20 more horsepower in stroker #2 and torque would come on at 2,000 RPM instead of 2,500... The half point of additional compression works better with the retrofit roller and the higher flowing heads. We probably could of went higher on compression for both motors, but not knowing the future of fuel grades in California these motors were built to run on current plus grade fuel if necessary.





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Sublime_Challi



Wow, that looks great.
Is there much to do to get the gear drives to fit. I'd like to get a rollmaster chain but I can't find anybody that sells em!!

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Sublime_Challi
You just have to drill / tap one hole for the idler tensioner. Otherwise it fits under the stock timing cover. If I did it again I'd go with a good quality roller chain and the MP tensioner, then take the money saved on the gear drive and spend it to get the forged crank... Can always upgrade to gear drive later.


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Sublime_Challi



RoadraceDartGT
72 360 block 40 over
Custom Ross flat tops, 2 valve reliefs
True final compression - 11.3
Scat H beam rods
4" cast crank
7 qt milodon pan + heater
windage tray
Ported edelbrock heads
Custom Bullet Racing solid roller cam 255 264 624 624
Strip dom intake, portmatched
BG RT750 dp, flows 900
Crane gold 1.6 rockers

150 miles on the set up. IT flat out cranks, and I haven't even gotten over 3800 rpm yet, watch out!!

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johnrtse

here ya go Plum:
340 block 30 over (main/head studs used)
Milodon 4 bolt splayed main caps
all oiling mods done
4" CAST crank
Eagle H beams
clevite bearings/felpro gaskets
Probe/Ross flat top pistons(12to1 comp)
C&A 1/16 File to Fit standard tension rings
Summit true roller timing chain
MP windage tray massaged for clearance
MP high volume oil pump w/Moroso 8Qt pan
Batten aluminum W2 heads 300/240 cfm @600 lift
2.08/1.60 Ferrea valves
Reed solid roller cam 260/270 @50 .605/625 lift(645/665 w/1.6 rockers)
Harland Sharp 1.6 roller rockers
Indy intake
17/8" hedman headers
1050 Dominator model #8896
727TF
4500 stall converter
83/4 w/4.56 gears
3300lbw/driver

This combo made 617 engine dyno HP at 6500rpms and 550 ftlbs at 5000 rpms 480HP at the wheels. It has made one trip to a quarter mile track where it ran the time you see below in my sig, that was in July on a 90 degree day with piss poor track conditions, as evidenced by the 1.57 sixty foot. it sees mostly 1/8 mile tracks and has posted a best of 6.80 @102.78 also in the heat of the summer. I fully expect this car to go 10.40 or better in the future.



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416ci of fun!
10.66 @ 126.58 1.57 sixty

Edited by StrokedDuster (11/25/03 05:00 PM)


patrick [Re: RoadraceDartGT]




[Re: patrick]

Here's mine.

1973 340 block - .030-over - 4.070 bore, 416 cid.
MP 4" cast stroker crank - internally balanced
Eagle H-beam rods
Wiseco forged pistons - 12.4 to 1 compression - .005 above deck
CompCams 252 @ .050, .563 lift solid roller cam - 106 CL - .600 lift with 1.6 rockers
CompCams solid body roller lifters
Harland Sharp roller rockers - 1.6 ratio
Smith Brothers pushrods
915 "J" heads, 2.02, 1.60, ported
61cc combustion chamber
Hooker SC headers - 1-3/4
CSI billet water pump
Griffin Aluminum radiator - 27-1/2 x 19
Perma-Cool HP series electric fan - 16"
Clevite H-series rod bearings
Federal-Mogul race main bearings
Childs & Albert Dura-Moly rings
ARP Main bolts
ARP Head studs
ARP Rod bolts
MP M-1 Single Plane Aluminum Intake - Ported
Holley 950HP
Aluminum Offy 2" carb. spacer (tapered)
Mallory Comp-140 Fuel Pump
Fram High-Flow Fuel Filter
Jaz in-line billet Fuel Filter
-8 stainless braided line
Mallory Billet fuel pressure regulator with return system

See my sig for performance.

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1971 Duster 416 10.85/123 mph - factory J-heads, thru the mufflers, street-legal




W8Dart371
My old 416 was:

4.07" bore '72 360 block
4" Cast Crank
SCAT H beams
Ross Domed Pistons
Sealed Power Moly rings
12.23:1 Actual Cpmpression
Milodon 7 Qt pan
M72 HV Oil Pump
Engle 271/271 .612"/.612" Flat tappet on a 108 LSA, installed at 104
Summit Double Roller
Comp Cams lifters
MP 3/8" Cut to fit pushrods
W2 Econo heads, 2.02"/1.60" Ported by me..... 300 cfm @.600"
INDY 360-3 intake
1050 Dominator
1 7/8" Tubular Automotive headers
MSD 6A, MP Electronic Dist, MSD 8.8 wires

10.75 @ 125.24 in the Dart.

I'm currently building this for a local guy:

4.07" bore MP 340 Resto Block
4" Cast Crank
Eagle H beams
Diamond Flat tops
Sealed Power Moly Rings
12:1, pistons at zero deck, .035" Cometic head gaskets for quench.
Charlies 7 Qt aluminum oil pan
M72HV pump
Custom Comp Cams Solid Roller
To be Determined, but will be around 266/268 @ .050", .645"/.655"
MP 59* R3 Roller lifters
Milodon Gear Drive
Smith Bro's Pushrods
INDY 360-1 Rectangle port heads, ported by me LOL. 2.10"/1.625" Ferrea's ~310 cfm @ .600"
King Demon Carb
INDY 360-3R Intake ported by me
1 7/8" TTIs
MSD Billet Dist, 6AL, MSD wires

With those heads and a roller cam, I'm expecting over 600 at the flywheel. Going in a 3100# race weight '72 Barracuda. Street car, looking for at least 10.30's through the mufflers on DOT tires. Might go quicker. We'll see




Ryan, with that buildup the new engine, do you think you're running close to the ragged edge (600+HP) for the cast crank? how come you didn't push him into the forged crank?

haven't seen you post here in a while....glad to see you're still around

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1976 Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD


71TA
Quote:

Wow, that looks great.
Is there much to do to get the gear drives to fit. I'd like to get a rollmaster chain but I can't find anybody that sells em!!




I just sold one on Ebay, cheap - sorry you missed it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=10076&item=2440990485

(Your Romac is on it's way, UPS - sorry for the delay)



Quote:

roadrace-

how's that thing run on pump gas with that high a comp. ratio?




Unless I missed something, the combination of aluminum heads (effective lowering of CR by one point) and decent quench, I see no issues with him being able to run on pump premium...

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RoadraceDartGT
Between the big cam and the alum heads, I'm fine.

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PlumCrazy

I have the 340 Eddy heads, does anyone think these will hurt my quench? They have the .060 machined for the older 340 pistons.



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RoadraceDartGT
Russ,

I'd be a little more careful here with compression. You are probably best off getting custom pistons for the few extra bucks, that are made to work with your set up. My pistons were set up at .005 in the hole, with the 63cc head. The quench here is right on at 44 thou.

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W8Dart371

Quote:

ryan, with that buildup the new engine, do you think you're running close to the ragged edge (600+HP) for the cast crank? how come you didn't push him into the forged crank?






Yeah.... He bought this crank, rods, and pistons last year, when he was just going to do an E head flat tappet motor. He had it internally balancd and even put it in a 340 block. Then he decides he wants to get more radical, put a roller in and do up a set of INDY's..... I was lucky enough to convince him that his 340 block was junk, and that he should at least get a good race block. I think betwen the new heads, rockers, intake, carb, roller cam, and race block, I don't think I can convince him to spend another grand to get a forged crank and have this thing re-balanced again. He's about tapped out. Should have seen the look on his face when I told him how much the MP 59* R3 roller lifters cost So we'll just hope the cast crank holds together. It will mostly be a street driver, that sees the track 3-4 times a year so... we'll see.

If I was building it from scratch it would have the new Callies Forged 4" in it and a GM Rod/Piston combo.

440ebody
Lots of cool combo's

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Neil

Here's mine in no particular order:

84 360 truck block .030 over, align honed etc..
4" cast crank internally balanced.
Eagle H-Beams.
Forged Wiseco pistons 10.3 CR.
Econo W2 heads.
Harland 1.5 rockers.
Hughes soild cam.(#4550)
Manley SS valves.
Smith Bros. custom length pushrods.
Hughes timing chain.
W2 single plane intake with 800 AVS. (Too small a carb, but I don't want to mess with a Holley whatsoever).
New accel electronic distributor.
Milodon oil pan, tray, and oil pump.
ARP studs and bolts.
Still need to get some TTI step headers for it later on.





PlumCrazy
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Russ,

I'd be a little more careful here with compression. You are probably best off getting custom pistons for the few extra bucks, that are made to work with your set up. My pistons were set up at .005 in the hole, with the 63cc head. The quench here is right on at 44 thou.




I was going to go with around 10 to one but it looks like most shelf pistons are 9.5 or 9.6 at 65cc's so I may have to get customs.
Thanks for the posts folks, I'm saving this now and will update as more come in.

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patrick
Quote:


Yeah.... He bought this crank, rods, and pistons last year, when he was just going to do an E head flat tappet motor. He had it internally balancd and even put it in a 340 block. Then he decides he wants to get more radical, put a roller in and do up a set of INDY's..... I was lucky enough to convince him that his 340 block was junk, and that he should at least get a good race block. I think betwen the new heads, rockers, intake, carb, roller cam, and race block, I don't think I can convince him to spend another grand to get a forged crank and have this thing re-balanced again. He's about tapped out. Should have seen the look on his face when I told him how much the MP 59* R3 roller lifters cost




huh...I think I woulda stuck with a flat tappet and put some of the roller coin towards the crank....and then sold his old crank for maybe 2/3's what he paid for it to make up the difference...

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Quote:

Quote:

Russ,

I'd be a little more careful here with compression. You are probably best off getting custom pistons for the few extra bucks, that are made to work with your set up. My pistons were set up at .005 in the hole, with the 63cc head. The quench here is right on at 44 thou.




I was going to go with around 10 to one but it looks like most shelf pistons are 9.5 or 9.6 at 65cc's so I may have to get customs.


Thanks for the posts folks, I'm saving this now and will update as more come in.




with those heads russ, to get good quench, I'd do one of two things: 1) set up your combo with the pistons .055-.060 OUT of the hole, or 2) mill .060 off the heads to get a closed chamber--those with the diamond 20cc dish piston should get you around 10.75:1 or so....perfect for a street aluminum headed stroker.

I was thinking 11.3:1 would be on the edge of pump-gas friendly...the larger cam probably helps, roadrace...if you were running something more like 230-235@.050, you may have issues...



PlumCrazy top fuel

I thought about the .060 off the head but then you have to worry about taking the right amount off the intake and proper fit. Maybe I'll call diamond and explain my situation and see if they can come up with a piston for me.
I need to get off my butt and get one of the old pistons pressed off the rod and so I can start measuring and grinding on the block for clearance.
I have to find out what bore it's going to first.
Thanks guys, heading for the machine shop.

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the milled eddie 340 heads was what Don (B3stroker422) used in his demon *EDIT: DUSTER-sorry don before the W5 prepped by ryan J.


Real quick:

1970 340 block .020 over
4" cast crank
H beam rods
Factory 915 "J" heads with junk 2.02 valves, ported by me
10:65 compression
250 @ .050 / .587" lift solid cam
M1 single cleaned up by me
Proform carb body, modified by me to over 900cfm
1 7/8 Hooker Super Comp Adj headers

93 octane and 34 degrees timing,
12 mpg on the highway
11 mpg round trip going to track in trafic / highway, racing, and returning home.



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1969 Dart GT 414 Stroker Small block STREET car.
11.35 @118mph on pump gas and cast iron J heads.



here is my combo.................

mopar perf "x"block...4.100 bore..fitted with milidon splayed 4 bolt billet caps..block is bushed for pushrod oiling.decked,bore,honed with torque plates(best machine).......
mopar 4340 4 inch forged stroker crank..rod journals cut down to 2.100(chevy size)

arrow billet i beam rods 6.300 lenght..2.10 journal 657 grams with arp/arrow bolts
cp custom dome pistons 4.100 bore 428 grams.043 cp ring package
comp roller cam..699/672 lift w/ 1.6 rockers 273/280 at 50
charlies 8 quart super street pan,melling hi volume oil pump,milidon pickup...no windage tray

tti 1/78 coated underchassis w5 headers
mopar w5 heads ported by member ryan johnson...flow is about 335-340 at 700 240 exhaust....port matched indy intake by ryan johnson

jesel 1.6 rocker setup.pushrod oil(sportsmen series)
msd 6 box and distributor,msd wires

moroso electric water pump

roller (jpt)727 with griner low band apply t brake

dana rear with 4.30 gears and spool ce ladders/strange double adj coilover shocks....

28 by 14.5 hoosier dot tires 3inch exhaust with dynomax bullets(its quiet,really )...

kirkey seats,autometer phantom guages.hurst quarterstick shifter....
10 point cage lofgren blanket/csi flexplate shield

estimated horsepower..700~....expected ET.....9.80's at 134-136.......

motor was balanced and assembled at best machine in shelby township mi,by chuck millen and staff...

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BEST 10.366@129.005 WITH W8DART371 PREPPED W5'S
COMING SOON....MORE STEAM.. BEST MACHINE PREPPED"X"BLOCK ROLLER BULLET WITH W8DART371 PREPPED "W6"HEADS....


Tom_Quad
416 six pak E heads 10:1 pump gas with tti/accurate ltd/stock AAR-T/A tips exhaust. MSD 6AL, Custom by Q dist. 800-6400 rpm range, 16mpg, 833 wide ratio 4 sp 3.23 rear. Horsepower guess 425. 142 mph on radar

Here is what it took to make it happen not counting my labor. Too many times we never get the "big" picture of the true cost of going FAST . Add up the rest of the parts that were required after installation and a 3d clutch configuration coming soon and you have an easy $11,000.00 and counting number.

Would I build another stoker? Yes

Dealer PURCHASED Parts
53009180AB PILOT BEARING 9.50
4874459 TRANS LUBE 75.00
6030536 FLYWHEEL BOLTS 66.00
B0013465 FAN BELT 10.00
314926 CLUTCH BOLTS 9.90
2534240 CLUTCH ROD 30.00
3467766 SHIFTER BOOT 43.00
2265938 CLUTCH BEARINGS 3.40
2946079 BREATHER GROMMET 3.10
3750510 PCV GROMMETT 3.10
3418933 DIP STICK TUBE 8.50
3462049 DIP STICK 5.00
4243950 DISTRIBUTOR CLAMP 3.50
P3690715 OIL PUMP DRIVE 24.10
P4120484 FUEL PUMP ECCENTRIC 21.00
53021195A TIMING CHAIN TENSIONER 32.00
P4876373 RADIATOR BYPASS HOSE 7.10
6027136 RIGHT ANGLE FILTER BOLT AND GASKET 11.00
2463512 GASKET 2.00
P5249153 TORSION BARS 150.00
P5249644 STARTER 115.00
P4529060 SIX PAK GASKETS 11.00
P4529264 FUEL LINES 41.00
P4120758 VISCOUS FAN PKGE 110.00

OTHER PURCHASED PARTS

330-16 SFI Flywheel 350.00
Hp/t-a mufflers Accurate Ltd 250.00
416-4 DRIVE SHAFT DENNYS DRIVE SHAFT 330.00
108-89 CARB GASKETS 6.00
108-83 BOWL GASKETS 6.00
40111 PETRONIX COIL 33.00
WLK-33229 EXHAUST CLAMPS 18.00
WLK-33240 EXHAUST CLAMPS 18.00
STG 8915 HEADER BOLTS 40.00
318340360 PETRONIX PLUG WIRES SUMMITT 45.00
100-340 VEVETOUCH CLUTCH ASSY ROCH CLUTCH & BRAKE 400.00- 2 clutch configs
340ECC TTI HEADERS W/ H PIPE 850.00
CCA-1420-16 Comp Cams ROLLER ROCKERS SUMMIT 317.00
USED 1969 340 BLOCK sonic checked SWAP MEAT 250.00
EDLEBROCK ALUM CYL HEADS MUSCLE MOTORS Stage 2 porting, 10 degree locks 1870.00
STOKER KIT MUSCLE MOTORS 1840.00
10:1 ross pistons Eagle I beam rods, internal balance
ADJ WINDAGE TRAY MILODON MUSCLE MOTORS 42.00
OIL PAN MILODON MUSCLE MOTORS 99.00
P/U MILODON MUSCLE MOTORS 25.00
WATER PUMP FLO COOLER SUMMIT 82.00
FREEZE PLUGS BRASS 7.50
CAM BEARINGS CLEVITE 35.00
HEAD DOWELS 1.75
DIST BUSHING 2.00
MAIN STUD KIT MILODON 79.00
OIL PUMP DYNAGEAR 55.00
HEAD STUDS Milodon 75.00
PUSHRODS CRANE CAMS 7.455 inches 85.00
TIMING CHAIN COMPCAM TRUE ROLLER 60.00
VALVE SPRING SHIMS-precision 6.00
LIFTERS COMP CAMS 75.00
INTAKE GASKETS FELPRO RACE 19.00
HEAD GASKETS FELPRO 70.00
FLUID DAMPER SUMMIT 345.00
CAM Racer Brown SSH-25/44 286/292 .485/510 108 ctr line install@106 50.00
Misc. $200.00

Total $8833.00


LABOR
CLEAN BLOCK
INSTALL MAIN STUDS AND ALIGN HONE
MILL REAR MAIN CAP FOR SHORT STUD TO CLEAR WINDAGE TRAY
BORE & HONE 0.030 WITH PLATE
SQUARE DECKS
DEBUR AND MODIFY OIL SYSTEM
ASSEMBLE ENGINE, PRIME
SET VALVE SPRINGS FOR CORRECT HEIGHT AND CHECK SEAT PRESSURE
4 HELICOILS IN SIX PAK INTAKE
PORT MATCH 6 PAK INtake
GLASS BEAD INTAKE
Total $950

Total total 9783.00

Internal tricks of the trade by my machinest with 40 years of mopar experience-$Priceless$



Sublime_Challi [Re: Tom_Quad]

Let's see cost... Stroker #1 was near $9000 for the engine, which I sold to my brother for the money to build stroker #2 and acquire the EFI components.

Stroker #2 was a touch over $7000, until I added the cost of EFI. If you try hard and shop around stroker #2 could be built for $6000.

My challenger's F.A.S.T. EFI system, SB stroker and keisler 5 speed setup costs about $15K in drivetrain components alone. Wheels / tires / body & paint will add another $7K to the project. Can you believe I will have about $25K in a '73 Challenger that a lot of people wouldn't want? heh heh heh What an idiot I am...


Kamstra_Kuda

I am almost embarrassed to post this compared to the high horsepower big builds, but here is my mild street (cheap) stroker.

360, 4 inch mopar cast crack, balanced internally.
Magnum Rods, KB pistons with the quench dome cut (about 9.6 compression)
Edelbrock Heads (273 Rockers)
RPM Air Gap intake
750 Speed Demon
Comp Extreme Hi Lift XE275

Others
Milidon Pan, TTi headers

This is for my street cruiser.


here is the build with pics to date
http://www.moparnuts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1915



Edited by Kamstra_Kuda (11/28/03 11:48 AM)


That's alright Kamstra_Kuda, Mine will be more along your lines, Just wish I could find shelf pistons that are 10.5.

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rj426
340 filled block-4.050" bore
4.000" cast crank
Arrow 6.300" rods
JE 370 gram flat tops
.043,.043,3mm ring pkg.
baffled stock pan/tray
stock oil pump
71 340 heads-minor porting, 2.055"x1.625" nailhead
comp mm solid-263*/271*-.607/.630-108*sep.@104*
273 rocker gear
modified 71 340 intake
71 340 Thermoquad
1&3/4" Hookers

should run high 10's in 3300 lb. Duster



bennydodge
My 73 340 in a Challenger...now a 416
-4" MP crank(cast)
-.030" overbore
-11.5 to 1 Ross aluminum forged pistons
-C & A file-fit rings
-Eagle H-Beam rods
-Clevite bearings throughout
-Modified stock windage tray
-MP 280/280---474/474 cam
-E-heads out of the box
-Edelbrock Perf. RPM Air-Gap intake
-Holley 750 HP double-pumper
-BHJ Dampener
-Stock valvetrain
-PTC 9.5" custom converter(around 3800 flash stall)


Ran for 30min. with the original Hughes cam, wiped a lobe. Haven't ran it yet with MP cam.

Approx. $5800 wrapped up in it.

Honestly if I had it to do over again would've went with the MP 402 crate motor. Lot less headache and not much down time.

I'm sure I'll like mine when it's running. Should make between 435-450 horse, maybe more.


Traildust74
This one is for my Trailduster and will aslo be tame comparatively.

'74 360, .060 over.
4" MP Cast Crank
Scat H beams
KB .060 over pistons
915 J Heads w/ 2.02/1.60 valves, ported with good valve job
True Roller Timing set
Old Holly street dominator
Carb and other items undecided on.



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68Fastback
I am going to put one of these together this winter and am planning to use it as a sleeper street runner. Please any advise on my selected parts is appreciated.

73 360 40 over
Would like at least 10.5-1
MP 4" cast crank
H beam rods
Mildly ported Eddie aluminum heads

Because I have in my 360 now and would like to reuse
MP 484 284 108 cam
Edelbrock Performer
Demon Sizzler TQ that works great
NOS 150HP unit still in wrapper
Running 391 gears with 2800 stall converter

Thanks

Jesse


boxcar
'93 360 block, Diamond dished pistons, ported Magnum R/T's for 10.3 to 1 CR. 218/224 112 sep. hyd roller, stock rockers, stock pan and oil pump w/MP tray. Airgap w/750 HP Holley, headers into single 3" exhaust, stock dakota converter and 518 trans, 3.90 gear. 12.62 @ 105 last time out in a 4X4 ex. cab Dakota, 4200lbs. with me in it. Drive it to the track and everywhere else, out on the highway with the OD trans and lockup converter you can cruise at 100mph @ 3000rpm.

RDABIKE
Here's the 408 in my 1997 Ram.
Engine:
5.9 360 @ .030 M.P. 4" stroke f/408 CID, Childs & Albert rods, JE forged pistons 7:5-1,C & A gapless rings, Precision balance & blueprint, ARP main & head studs, Barton roller timing set, Clay Smith Cam 284-284 duration( 232-232 @.050) .556-.556 lift w/a 110 deg centerline-installed at 107, Fastman Ported RT heads w/2.02-1.625's, M-1 2-barrel intake(ported), Crower Cams stainless steel roller rockers 1.6 ratio, heat treated pushrods, Triple valve springs, Milodon 4x4 oil pan(9qt) & windage tray, Mopar Performance SFI steel balancer, GW 7.75 crank pulley.
INDUCTION:
Autorotor twin screw supercharger w/ 2 9/16" pulley(3.0 ratio-11 lbs boost), ATI 1,000 cfm 3-row air to air intercooler and 3" diameter transfer pipes, 4" diameter outside aluminun air intake & hat, Custom supercharger manifolds by Silver State Motor Sports(Las Vegas), Flow Metrics 58x58m 1250 cfm throttle body.
IGNITION/COMPUTER:
MSD-6 BTM ignition, blaster coil, MSD 8.5m wires, Speed Pro EFI:wide band closed loop computer with 2-bar map sensor, re-flashed OEM computer(for top speed, trans shift rpm & WOT ac switch off.)
FUEL SYSTEM:
Walbro 255 LPH in tank pump & 255 LPH in line pump, Holley high flow injector rails, -6an supply & return system, 72 lb engine injector set, Aeromotive adjustable regulator w/1:1 ratio.
Transmission: APS RaceMaster w/618 overdrive assembly and B & M deep pan. APS BracketFighter 2400 stall converter.
EXHAUST: GS Motorsports Power Plate RT headers 1 3/4 x 3". 3" mandrel crossover pipe, Dr. Gas dual 3" into 4" Y merge pipe, Random Tech 4" high flow CAT, Magnaflow 4" mandrel bent exhaust system, stock exit.

This combination with a much smaller cam (.218-.224) produced 436 rwhp & 598 rwtq. That was through a transfer case, auto trans & off road tires.


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Twin Screw Supercharged/Aftercooled 408 Stroker-97' Ram Club Cab 4x4
436.2 RWHP & 598.6 RWTQ
http://www.bicyclesunlimited.com/about/trucks.html

Edited by RDABIKE (11/29/03 10:20 AM)


Quote:

I am going to put one of these together this winter and am planning to use it as a sleeper street runner. Please any advise on my selected parts is appreciated.

73 360 40 over
Would like at least 10.5-1
MP 4" cast crank
H beam rods
Mildly ported Eddie aluminum heads

Because I have in my 360 now and would like to reuse
MP 484 284 108 cam
Edelbrock Performer
Demon Sizzler TQ that works great
NOS 150HP unit still in wrapper
Running 391 gears with 2800 stall converter

Thanks

Jesse





I think the cam's a bit small. That cam is almost stock in a 408 compared to how it would be in the 360. I don't know, maybe that's what you want. I know I'd go more cam if it were me...

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1 boy, 1 girl. How many more cars am I gonna have to build?!

*SigPic courtesy of Herman*

Sublime_Challi
68Fastback,

That cam is too small. Shoot for 235 - 240 @.050 and around .500" lift for a mild street stroker. If you use that cam your motor will be like a truck motor, all low down torque with no top end.

RDABIKE - That sounds incredible. I'd love to see pics of your engine compartment.


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Sublime_Challi


68Fastback
Quote:

68Fastback,

That cam is too small. Shoot for 235 - 240 @.050 and around .500" lift for a mild street stroker. If you use that cam your motor will be like a truck motor, all low down torque with no top end.







I can go with a larger cam, what do you guys think about the one that comes in the MP stroker which I think is the next step up from what I got. Since I am looking for a stout street runner I am sorta conservative when I think of cam selection since it is a science that I always seem to fail at. I have heard good things about Comp Cams any suggestions on a model. Also do I have to change rods to the H beam or is that a good safety bet. I appreciate the help.

Thanks

Jesse

Sublime_Challi
I like the comp cams XE284 (20-225-4) for a mild street engine. I'd go with that before I'd go with any mopar performance grind. There are better cams for strokers, but I know this one works good for a street application.

Stock rods will work, you need to spend the money to make sure they are sized and have ARP bolts etc. The cost of this is about half the cost of the H-Beams, which are a little better and require less clearancing of the block.



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Sublime_Challi


4speeds4me
OK, I've had enough of wanting to post my build and not doing it. Here goes...

.030" 360 block
4" cast crank
KB356 pistons ~9.6:1
Stock rods, debeamed, polished, ARP bolts
288 (254 @ .050) .525" solid cam
Ported 2.02/1.60 heads...not sure what flow is going to be yet
3-key crank sprocket double roller chain
MP tensioner (I won't build another SB without it! )
M1 SP intake
Hoping for a Sizzled TQ

I intend to put this in a somewhat lightened 72 Satellite with a 4-speed (what else! ) and see how it feels. The goal was to see how inexpensively it could be built for reasonable street performance without sacrificing longevity. At this point, it looks like around $3500CDN will have me done. If I was to factor (or could afford) ~6K CDN I could H-beam rod and Eddy head it...not too bad in my books!

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1 boy, 1 girl. How many more cars am I gonna have to build?!

*SigPic courtesy of Herman*

W9dartgts
Here is my new motor going together this winter for the next racing season starting with a R3 short 9 inch deck 3.79 crank rods cut to 2.00 4.185 bore custom je piston dish to keep comp low with 50 cc heads comp roller W9 heads being ported by Ryan as we speak jesel 1.7 rockers tit. valves hoping to have a very good bracket comb when done thats why we have taken comp out of the motor still with 4.185 bore and 379crank 50cc heads still with dish pistons will have 11.5 not bad for a dish piston should be a great motor when done

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scatpacktom
Here is my 416.340 block,4in crank,eagle rods,diamond pistons(12.5 comp),comp solid roller 244/550,ported 915 heads,1.6 harland sharpe roller rockers.Its in a T/A challenger.I race the car in F.A.S.T so I have a six pack and exhaust manifolds.I've raced it twice since its been in the car.Its best was 11.97 at 117.5 on polyglas tires.I think it has plenty more.

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68Fastback
Quote:

I am almost embarrassed to post this compared to the high horsepower big builds , but here is my mild street (cheap) stroker.

360, 4 inch mopar cast crack, balanced internally.
Comp Extreme Hi Lift XE275
Others
Milidon Pan, TTi headers


Do you have a picture of what that Milidon pan looks like installed in your car, I am concerned with ground clearance. BTW nice write up and pictures on your build up. Thanks

Jesse
Barracuda Owners Club member










Sublime_Challi



It does hang a little low. I am considering taking an inch off of it...


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Sublime_Challi


Mine is .030 over 340, 4" forged crank, CAT h-beams, Wiseco pistons, W2 heads prepped by Ryan Johnson and Dwayne Porter, 1.6 MP roller rockers, Racer Brown STX-21 cam. It actullay measured 575 lift and 272 duration @ .050 and CL was 105. It is installed @ 108. CR is 11.1. 13/4" TTI's. Victor W2 intake. Convertor is a TA 4400 for W2 small blocks. 4.30 gear. Car weighs 3500 with me in it. Hoping for some 11.5's . It's a roll bar thing . Jim --------------------
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Reged: 04/09/03 Posts: 696 Loc: lost wages NV Re: 408/416 Stroker builds, post em here! [Re: W8Dart371] #555046 - 12/04/03 10:32 PM Edit Reply Quote
I just put my 340 on E-bag after reading this post I think the stoker 340 is a good idea, only problem no car for the motor, except the RR but I've been wanting a big block for it........ not sure what to do now.........
Well I just bought another 4" crank motor today..... It's W9Dartgts's old shortblock. Looks something like this: 9.56" R3
4.125" Bore
4" Forged Crank, turned to 2.10" rods
6.25" Eagle H beams
Custom JE Flat tops, Lateral Gas Ports, .927" Pins
426 cubic inches
I guess I'm putting a mild Comp Flat tappet in it, and a set of ported W5's, INDY intake and a 950 HP series Holley. Going to set the quench at .035" with custom cometics, and shoot for pump gas at ~ 11.9:1 This will be ~620 HP Street motor for my '69 Coronet 500 Will be very similar (except R3 block and forged crank) to B3422W6's old 416 which made 621 HP. Heads will be almost identical and cam will be the same one.

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/76858/
This article gives a good understanding of the SB Stroker buildup... Steve Dulcich did a good job I think. It shows the oil system modification etc. Have a look...

Hey I am learning so please excuse me for all the questions. So is there a better forged piston that works with stroker combos. Jesse
Well its not a 408/416, but it is a 405ci stroker
here is what I have, and I dont think you want to run this on the street
Block R-3 48* block line bored
lifter bores sleeved
roller cam bearings
4.125 bored and hone plate
3.790 stroke billet MP crank, weights turned down for faster revs, balanced
CP pistons 14.1:1 super light weight 343grams
Eagle H-beam rods 6.125" with chevy pins and big end
TCI balancer
Heads W-9 heads
mill .010 just for true 2.18 intake valves 1.625 exhaust flow is 360 @ .700 ported by Chapman spring pressure is 320 at seat
Cam Straightline Performance for a 48* 276*/284* @ .050, .704"/.688" LSA 112 install at 106 lash hot .022"/.028"
Keith Black gear drive
4-stage dry sump pump Stock Car Products
personally built dry sump pan and oil tank
personally build 3 step headers 1 7/8" to 2" to 2 1/8" 4" collector
Mopar W-9 intake for now, till I can build a new manifold
Had to build the valley tray for it (not avalible) 1050 dom
cutom build coolant manifold system for the heads
this is going in my P-Body for next season Special thanks to Chuck at Best Machine, and Scott at Straightline Performance

That cam is too small. Shoot for 235 - 240 @.050 and around .500" lift for a mild street stroker. If you use that cam your motor will be like a truck motor, all low down torque with no top end.



I finally got to see one of these strokers perform at a 1/8 mile, my buddy has almost the same car as mine and is running a 550 313 cam and this thing idles nice at 800 rpm's. So I am glad I found this post.

By smokindemon
Muscle motors built my 416 stroker. I'm not sure of everything in it but Iwill list what I know;
-340 block(race preped.)
-Edelbrock alum.ported heads
-4" steel crank
-Ross pistons
-Arp head & main bolts
-M/P high Volume oil pump
-Comp. extreme cam 507/510
-1.5 Roller rockers
-Crane pushrods
-Ported Air gap intake
I use a 870 Street avenger carb. and TTI headers. They said this set-up should run about 500 H.P. It runs very strong, but is still very streetable.Runs on 93 octane pump gas. I have it in my '71 4-speed Demon.

By dusterguy28
heres mine just got it started 2 weeks ago
69 340, .4070 bore
4"steel crank
12:1 weisco pistons h-beam rods
510 lift racer brown custom grind cam 242@.050 duration
stock 69 j head new valves springs to match cam
adjustable roller rockers by comp cams
ported rpm air gap manifold
750 holley
727 trans
turbo action 4000 stall converter
reverse manual cheatah valve body
8 3/4 rear with 391 gears
ignition
msd 6al box
billit distributor
8.5 millimeter wires
blaster 2 coil